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I will be posting on u-tube video of the roof leaking by simply holding a water hose 3 feet above the roof. This roof is the Ultra Deck by MBCI and The roof from Whirlwind which is an exact copy.

I will also post what MBCI executives said about Ultra Deck. NCI you can run but the truth will win the day. Did you tell A R Ginn that the roof that built his fortune is not water tight at the side laps per Astm E 1514. Wayne Dickinson, you said the roof needs no sealant to pass any test. Without mastic it wont pass ASTM 1646 found in your own manual. But then you couldn’t tell the truth in court. Did Force Engineering or Faranbaugh tell you that. No, I didn’t think so. Strange that you told me that the roof had been submerged in water. And that the mastic was viable??? Now we both know the truth about that one. If NCI and MBCI are truthful then release the 200 documents. Oh that is right, your vice president of manufacturing said in deposition, under oath that the roof would come unlocked with out the proper mastic. He said that in 2009, but in 2011 he said the roof needs no mastic. You all sounded like Parrots!

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What the Metal Roofing Industry Does not want you to know.

Found some interesting information that will help educate the public. The following are definitions from MBMA (Metal Building Manufacturers Association) Metal Building System Manual. The definitions define the 2 basic types of standing seam roof panels.

HYDROSTATIC:
Metal panel systems that are designed to withstand being submersed in water for a period of time are called hydrostatic panels. Hydrostatic roof details rely on sealant to keep water from infiltrating the joints and seams. Hydrostatic roof details can be used at almost any slope (1/4:12 minimum).

HYDROKINETIC:

Metal panel systems that are designed to shed water are referred to as hydrokinetic. Hydrokinetic roof details are typically devoid of sealant and rely on water to freely shed over the joints. Hydrokinetic roof details are not to be used on roof slopes below 3:12.

Also found the following information at ehow.com.

Define a Structural Standing Seam Roof
By Ann Salter, eHow Contributor


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Standing seam roofing systems are composed of durable , overlapping, preformed panels secured with concealed fasteners and can be divided into two basic categories: structural and architectural. Structural standing seam roofing benefits from increased strength, water-tightness and design flexibility over architectural panel systems.
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1. Strength
o Structural, standing seam roofing panels have greater spanning capabilities and resistance to wind uplift. Designed for structural stability, they can be installed spanning over purlins instead of a solid deck, allowing for a lighter roof.
Seams
o The structural standing seam roof’s taller seams, mechanical joining and factory-applied sealants combine to form a water-tight system, even at extremely low slopes. Structural panels, unlike architectural, can be installed on slopes as low as 1/4:12, and can even be mounted vertically as a wall panel.
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Flexibility
o Structural standing seam panels are available in much longer lengths than architectural. Factory-formed sheets can be shipped in more than 80-foot lengths, and the lengths of field-formed sheets are virtually unlimited. Clip attachment systems allow for necessary thermal expansion and contraction of longer panels

Read more: http://www.ehow.com/facts_7832660_define-structural-standing-seam-roof.html#ixzz2dAsUb2F6

In conclusion….my opinion is that if a company claims that their standing seam roof is water shedding only, it should not be installed on any slope less than 3:12. I know there is at least one company that claims their standing seam roof panel is watershedding roof and not hydrostatic, but yet they still install sealant in the panels during fabrication…….?….what’s that all about. They also sell this panel for applications of less then 3:12 slope. They may deny knowing it was to be installed on a slope of less than 3:12 and at the same time will sell along with this panel the support purlins manufactured to a slope of less than 3:12 along with accompanying gutter. It is not hard to see what’s going on here. SELL THE PRODUCT….THEN REFUSE WARRANTY BECAUSE OF IMPROPER INSTALLATION…..AND PLAY DUMB ABOUT ANY BEFORE HAND KNOWLEDGE.


The Truth # 4

” Answer: A Standing Seam Roof.”

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Question ? What do the following people have in common ?

1. Wayne Dickinson       4. Norman Chambers   7. Gary Forbes           10. George Martinez

2. Ken Buchinger           5. Kathleen Affeldt       8. John Holland           11. Nathan Sleeper

3. Mark Dobson             6. James Berges            9. Lawrence Kremer    12. Jonathan Zrebiec

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The Truth # 4

Question ? What do the following people have in common ?

1. Wayne Dickinson       4. Norman Chambers   7. Gary Forbes           10. George Martinez

2. Ken Buchinger           5. Kathleen Affeldt       8. John Holland           11. Nathan Sleeper

3. Mark Dobson             6. James Berges            9. Lawrence Kremer    12. Jonathan Zrebiec


The Truth # 3

I wonder why the Metal Roofing Industry, The RCI and the Self Storage Industry to include Inside Self Storage, Self Storage Association and Texas Self Storage Association makes no comments or maybe the question should be to the Self Storage people should be, are you not troubled by the fact that any facility that has this roof is Not a class A Facility. I know why the Metal Roofing Industry does not comment, it is called CYA. All Metal Roofing Manufactures put out specifications on their products with ASTM specifications and tests that are performed in test labs. That is nice ,But will your roof work in the real world. Every owner, installer, consumer has the absolute right to know if the Metal Roof actually performs when installed. Two very easy and simple tests. If your roof will leak when a garden hose is held 3 foot above the surface and water comes thru the roof you have a problem. The other test is direct from an ASTM committee. Perform a water head test on the roof at random locations. This can be done in an hour on approximately 40,000 sf. If you get a couple of drips don’t worry, But if you can take a shower you have a roof that is not sealed. We all owe the owner ( you know the person who pays the money ) the TRUTH. The water head test is so simple and truthful.


The Truth Part 2

I will reveal all about the “fight” I have been having with this Public Corporation. This has been devastating to me personally and to my family. The business I started 30 years ago was destroyed. This standing seam roof supplier had been selling me this particular roof for more than a decade. In fact I first bought and installed this roof in 1986. I have bought more than a million sf of this standing seam. In the year ending June 2008 it was in excess of 500,000 sf. This is the only Standing Seam Roof I installed on every Self Storage Building I designed and sold. I personally installed over  one million sf of this roof. I am not a salesman, I was a working contractor.

Many Metal Building suppliers knocked on my office door and tried to get my business but I remained loyal to this one manufacture. This manufacture permits other manufactures to make this roof and sell it under their respective trade names. The roof I purchased was a Structural Standing Seam Roof specified to meet ASTM E 1514 recommenced slope of 1/4:12. I am not an engineer but every detail of my buildings had a design structural engineer and all building were designed to pass local building codes. In 30 years I sold and built buildings in most every state in the country and in Canada. This supplier always knew where these roofs were going as I had conversations with their plant sales manager, inside sales manager and out side sales manager almost on a daily basis. This roof was sold to me and every one else in the country since 1983 as a hydrostatic roof or water tight.

Imagine my shock when suddenly in 2011 this public company publicly stated that this roof was never a hydrostatic roof and was only a water shedding roof or hydro kinetic. This public company also stated that it does not “follow” MBMA Roof System Manual, FEMA definition of Water tight and water shedding roofs, not even the National Roofing Contractors standards.

I live in Oklahoma and as fate would have it the original IAS test lab is till in business in Tulsa Oklahoma and the main developer of the roof is still in business ( has many roof patents) and lives in Edmond Oklahoma. Also one of the original “investors” in developing this roof is one of the most respected men in the history of the Metal Building Industry. I have spoke in great length many times with these men and have had this conversations authenticated by other individuals. This roof was developed to compete with the Butler MR 24 which is hydrostatic. One of the individual told me he built a tank and submerged the panel in water and that the roof was hydrostatic. Why would you spend enormous amounts of money to develop a roof to compete with Butler MR 24 and it not also be a hydrostatic roof ?

Now for the best or should I say worst. The President and corporate officer of this division of the Public Corporation said that his roof needs no sealant in the side laps to work or pass any test. Now that is contrary to the International Building Code and the ICC. Also even their own manual.

I ran the ASTM tests found in their manual under qualifications and specifications. I had an IAS independent test lab perform the tests. This roof failed every test.

I contacted this Public Company’s independent engineer. He emailed me that 1/4:12 is hydrostatic and anyone who says it isn’t is insane and that he uses ASTM 2140 ( industry standard) when he is hired to test low sloped roofs.

I was destroyed by this company because I was “TOLD” that if I did not use my influence and make my customers put “Tape” on all the side laps then this Public Corporation would destroy me and put me out of business. That is the only words that turned out to be true. No one can stand alone against a Billion Dollar Corporation owned by a 20 Billion Dollar Private Equity Wall Street Firm. These type of entities buy the “truth” with very expensive law firms. The truly sad part is this was not about business. It was personal because I dared to defy the President of this division. I know it was personal because in September of 2008 I went to this law firm and met with the president and vice president of this Public Company along with their lead attorney, their general counsel, their attorney from Tulsa Oklahoma. With me was my son and business attorney. I told the President of this division of the Public Corporation how to fix the problem and it wouldn’t cost anything. This man wanted to put a team together to investigate the problem. I agreed, my team would be my son, and two men who I trusted. One man was a former plant manager of this company and the other was a 50 year veteran of the industry who would rather punch you than lie to you. His job for over 50 years was trouble shooting problems for Metal Building Companies and Roofing. I knew I was listening to BS when their vice president told me the reason the roofs were leaking was we used an industrial grade screw gun to install the S-5 wind clamps and that was wrong. He said we were to use only a torque wrench. He said the panel was crimped. He should probably read the instruction manual.The manual says to use an industrial grade screw gun and S-5 provides the attachment for the screw gun. As I said at the beginning I am not a salesman I am or was a working contractor and installer. I may be an OKIE but I know BS when I hear it.


The Real Story

Most of the people in the self storage industry and metal roofing industry know about what has been going on since 2008. The facts will come out on this blog. Not just my version as what I will write will and can be verified.I will say that I have been fighting a billion dollar public company that is owned by a 20 billion private equity firm from wall street. Lets start by saying we have a disagreement as to what a water tight , water barrier, hydrostatic roof is. And to what ASTM E 1514 and minimum slope 1/4:12 is. One question I ask: When a companies 20 year employee who is plant sales manager states that the roof I was sold was sold to me as a water tight roof and that the way it was marketed to me is that not the roof I should have received?