Be TruthfulPosted: September 30, 2013 | Author: verncannonblog | Filed under: Fight of my Life | Tags: ASTM, ASTM specifications, Bible, Building Codes, Christianity, Construction and Maintenance, Hydrostatic, low slope roof, Metal Building Manufacturers Association, Metal Roof, Roof Leaks, Structral Standing Seam, Thermal and Moisture, Ultra Deck | Leave a comment
The Bible teaches that purity of conduct includes truthfulness. “Sincerity and truth are what you require; fill my mind with your wisdom”. Psalms 51-6.
In my disgust for MBCI and the lies they told and continue to tell about Ultra Deck I forgot to mention that NCI does have good products. They just screwed the pooch with what they said about Ultra Deck and people do know the truth. Even NCI Board of Directors, but money not honesty and integrity rule them.
The Oklahoma Plant Sales Manager at the time and a man that I bought The Ultra Deck Roof from for more than a Decade and a 23 year sales employee of MBCI was a Truthful man and although we don’t speak anymore I would assume he still is. He is no longer employed by MBCI and was not employed at trial. However, he swore under oath that MBCI sold me the Ultra Deck as a water tight (hydrostatic) roof and that is the way MBCI marketed the Ultra Deck roof. I will also add that he was angry with me because this fact and all conversations were recorded as part of phone system quality control program.I also have Wayne Dickinson admitting the roof is Hydrostatic. He agreed the roof had been submerged in water, again hydrostatic test. But I digress. I publicly want to than Cody Rodden for being a man of Integrity and telling the TRUTH. The only one at NCI/MBCI who did.
Hard To AcceptPosted: September 9, 2013 | Author: verncannonblog | Filed under: Fight of my Life | Tags: ASTM International, ASTM specifications, Building Codes, David Curtis, Florida, high slope roof, Hydrostatic, MBCI, Metal Building Manufacturers Association, Metal Roof, Oklahoma City, RCI, Standing Seam, Structral Standing Seam, Thermal and Moisture, Ultra Deck, United States | 1 Comment
I am going to rethink how to fight this injustice. Friends I thought were friends are not. They are acquaintances. That is OK , My friend is my wife as it should be and she is afraid for my life as she knows what MBCI and their lies have done to me. She knows that I would fight NCI /Mbci to my last breath as I believe in fighting for the truth. I fought and have continued to fight for more than 5 years. I went to Tim McElroy for the truth about Ultra Deck and he told me that it was developed as a roof to compete with the Butler MR 24 which by the way is a water barrier roof. I went to Leo Neyer, who developed the Ultra Deck, and he told me that he is the man who built the water tank and submerged the ultra deck under water and that it was a hydrostatic roof (water barrier). Terry Wolfe (owner of Force Engineering) emailed me stating that anyone who says that 1/4:12 is not hydrostatic is insane, he even said to use the definitions from Fema. I even spoke with the project manager from Locke Bowden and she told me that 1/4:12 is hydrostatic. Wolfe, Bowden and Faranbaugh all approve this roof for sale in Florida at 1/4:12 and Florida says 1/4:12 is hydrostatic. Whirlwind Steel also said their version of Ultra Deck is hydrostatic as has Central States. I know the truth and so do the executives at NCI/MBCI. They are cowards and sold me roofs that did not meet their own standards ( written in letter from Andrew Costa): Mr. Costa was the General Counsel of MBCI. The chairman of the board of NCI, Norm Chambers and the board of directors are covering up the truth about the Ultra Deck and the problems with this roof. It did not just start in 2008 but years before, I know because I have 200 internal emails that tell the story about the problem and the cover up.
Don’t you think it strange that MBCI said I owed them $ 360,000.00 : The exact amount of money with held from me by the owners because of leaks at the side laps of Ultra Deck. Now I built buildings across the United States and in Canada. Dozens of suppliers and every one got paid, 30 years and paid the invoices. I however did not pay for defective material or pay an invoice unless it was correct. Mbci sent a roof inspector to Florida, he opened the roof and said there was not enough sealant and he noted several area where he got the roof to leak with nothing more than a water hose. Wayne Dickinson admitted to me he had a major problem at production facilities because Kenny Buchinger told him another roof I had in Florida had the same problem. Wayne Dickinson was shocked because the roofs came from two different manufacturing plants. In court they did not tell the truth. They said Ultra Deck needs no sealant period. Now I know that is not true as does any engineer, Terry Wolfe, Daniel Faranbaugh, Locke Bowden, Tim McElroy. Even the judge knew it because he read the 200 documents. The ICC ,ASTM , MBMA, and the International Building Code know that Ultra Deck must have mastic. But MBCI told the court it does nor need mastic and if it did then Wayne Dickinson said he would not have sued me and would have replaced my customers roofs. I challenge the new president of MBCI and all the salesmen who beat a path to my door to be honest and tell the truth. You wont because you are not an honest company. It was easier for you to lie in court about the problem and destroy me than admit the truth. Remember I have the 200 documents. Why don’t you release them so the truth can come out, oh that’s right you are never wrong even when you admit that your roof doesn’t meet your own standards. Sorry about that for you, I don’t sell seconds or defective products to my customers. You do ,I do not. Ask Janus International, (a good and honest manufacture) it took David Curtis and his team along with me and my son working for six months to find out the root cause of a problem and when it was identified Janus end especially David Curtis and Joe Bricker with Sandy and my son to fix the problem. David Curtis and Janus and their supplier replaced over 3000 doors , the exact total I not sure of as it continues. Now Mr. Curtis did this during slow economic times since 2008. We argued , fought, talked, discussed to fix this problem but the only concern Mr. Curtis and I had was for the end user, the owners. Just the opposite of NCI/ MBCI. Even though contained in the 200 documents and 30 years of experience all NCI/MBCI could do was say “not our fault”, Vern doesn’t know what he is doing. Ya right, after installing 10 million sf of Ultra Deck. There are to many sulliers who know me, to many customers who know me, to many engineers who know me, and way to many salesmen who know me that know I don’t lie and will fight for the right of my customers. But in this fight against NCI/MBCI and their lie machine and a stupid Judge with the backing of the private equity firm who bought them in 2008 or NCI was going file for bankruptcy I stand alone. My customers asked me to fight for them , I did, then they turned their back on me as has the rest of the Metal Roofing Industry. MBCI or should I ay Wayne Dickinson stated in court that the Ultra Deck was never a water barrier roof. That it is only a water shedding roof but you can put it on 1/4:12 roof slope. WRONG ! On top of that Wayne Dickinson and their Law Firm Bracewell Giuliani and especially the lawyer ( Richard Whitely) new that roof was sold to me and marketed as a water tight roof. The Oklahoma City plant sales manager testified under oath to that fact and Richard Whitely affirmed the Ultra Deck was a water tight roof. The question is how did I loose in court? The answer is simple. The verdict was bought and paid for, not with money, but with political power and a corrupt legal system in Houston Texas. An Honest man has no chance against a 30 billion dollar private equity firm and a Public Corporation that simply will not tell the truth about their products.
Thank you for reading my diatribe. I promised my customers I would fight for them until I was bankrupt or died. One has happened and the other is very close at hand. I will have to break one of those promises. I can not let myself die. My wife means more to me than my promise. It is for her that I am going to try and regain my health, and as she begged me last night, Put it in God’s Hands. Please. So God here it is, tell me what you want me to do.
VideoPosted: September 3, 2013 | Author: verncannonblog | Filed under: Fight of my Life | Tags: ASTM, ASTM specifications, Building Codes, Construction and Maintenance, high slope roof, Hydrostatic, low slope roof, Meta Roof, Metal Building Manufacturers Association, RCI, Roof Leaks, SSA, Structral Standing Seam, Thermal and Moisture | 1 Comment
I will be posting on u-tube video of the roof leaking by simply holding a water hose 3 feet above the roof. This roof is the Ultra Deck by MBCI and The roof from Whirlwind which is an exact copy.
I will also post what MBCI executives said about Ultra Deck. NCI you can run but the truth will win the day. Did you tell A R Ginn that the roof that built his fortune is not water tight at the side laps per Astm E 1514. Wayne Dickinson, you said the roof needs no sealant to pass any test. Without mastic it wont pass ASTM 1646 found in your own manual. But then you couldn’t tell the truth in court. Did Force Engineering or Faranbaugh tell you that. No, I didn’t think so. Strange that you told me that the roof had been submerged in water. And that the mastic was viable??? Now we both know the truth about that one. If NCI and MBCI are truthful then release the 200 documents. Oh that is right, your vice president of manufacturing said in deposition, under oath that the roof would come unlocked with out the proper mastic. He said that in 2009, but in 2011 he said the roof needs no mastic. You all sounded like Parrots!
The Truth # 4Posted: August 26, 2013 | Author: verncannonblog | Filed under: Fight of my Life | Tags: ASTM, ASTM specifications, Building Codes, high slope roof, Hydrostatic, ISS, low slope roof, Metal Roof, Metal Roofing, Public Corporations, RCI, Roof Leaks, Standing Seam, Structral Standing Seam | 1 Comment
Question ? What do the following people have in common ?
1. Wayne Dickinson 4. Norman Chambers 7. Gary Forbes 10. George Martinez
2. Ken Buchinger 5. Kathleen Affeldt 8. John Holland 11. Nathan Sleeper
3. Mark Dobson 6. James Berges 9. Lawrence Kremer 12. Jonathan Zrebiec
The Truth Part 2Posted: August 14, 2013 | Author: verncannonblog | Filed under: Fight of my Life | Tags: ASTM specifications, Building Codes, Metal Roofing, Public Corporations, Roof Leaks, Standing Seam | 1 Comment
I will reveal all about the “fight” I have been having with this Public Corporation. This has been devastating to me personally and to my family. The business I started 30 years ago was destroyed. This standing seam roof supplier had been selling me this particular roof for more than a decade. In fact I first bought and installed this roof in 1986. I have bought more than a million sf of this standing seam. In the year ending June 2008 it was in excess of 500,000 sf. This is the only Standing Seam Roof I installed on every Self Storage Building I designed and sold. I personally installed over one million sf of this roof. I am not a salesman, I was a working contractor.
Many Metal Building suppliers knocked on my office door and tried to get my business but I remained loyal to this one manufacture. This manufacture permits other manufactures to make this roof and sell it under their respective trade names. The roof I purchased was a Structural Standing Seam Roof specified to meet ASTM E 1514 recommenced slope of 1/4:12. I am not an engineer but every detail of my buildings had a design structural engineer and all building were designed to pass local building codes. In 30 years I sold and built buildings in most every state in the country and in Canada. This supplier always knew where these roofs were going as I had conversations with their plant sales manager, inside sales manager and out side sales manager almost on a daily basis. This roof was sold to me and every one else in the country since 1983 as a hydrostatic roof or water tight.
Imagine my shock when suddenly in 2011 this public company publicly stated that this roof was never a hydrostatic roof and was only a water shedding roof or hydro kinetic. This public company also stated that it does not “follow” MBMA Roof System Manual, FEMA definition of Water tight and water shedding roofs, not even the National Roofing Contractors standards.
I live in Oklahoma and as fate would have it the original IAS test lab is till in business in Tulsa Oklahoma and the main developer of the roof is still in business ( has many roof patents) and lives in Edmond Oklahoma. Also one of the original “investors” in developing this roof is one of the most respected men in the history of the Metal Building Industry. I have spoke in great length many times with these men and have had this conversations authenticated by other individuals. This roof was developed to compete with the Butler MR 24 which is hydrostatic. One of the individual told me he built a tank and submerged the panel in water and that the roof was hydrostatic. Why would you spend enormous amounts of money to develop a roof to compete with Butler MR 24 and it not also be a hydrostatic roof ?
Now for the best or should I say worst. The President and corporate officer of this division of the Public Corporation said that his roof needs no sealant in the side laps to work or pass any test. Now that is contrary to the International Building Code and the ICC. Also even their own manual.
I ran the ASTM tests found in their manual under qualifications and specifications. I had an IAS independent test lab perform the tests. This roof failed every test.
I contacted this Public Company’s independent engineer. He emailed me that 1/4:12 is hydrostatic and anyone who says it isn’t is insane and that he uses ASTM 2140 ( industry standard) when he is hired to test low sloped roofs.
I was destroyed by this company because I was “TOLD” that if I did not use my influence and make my customers put “Tape” on all the side laps then this Public Corporation would destroy me and put me out of business. That is the only words that turned out to be true. No one can stand alone against a Billion Dollar Corporation owned by a 20 Billion Dollar Private Equity Wall Street Firm. These type of entities buy the “truth” with very expensive law firms. The truly sad part is this was not about business. It was personal because I dared to defy the President of this division. I know it was personal because in September of 2008 I went to this law firm and met with the president and vice president of this Public Company along with their lead attorney, their general counsel, their attorney from Tulsa Oklahoma. With me was my son and business attorney. I told the President of this division of the Public Corporation how to fix the problem and it wouldn’t cost anything. This man wanted to put a team together to investigate the problem. I agreed, my team would be my son, and two men who I trusted. One man was a former plant manager of this company and the other was a 50 year veteran of the industry who would rather punch you than lie to you. His job for over 50 years was trouble shooting problems for Metal Building Companies and Roofing. I knew I was listening to BS when their vice president told me the reason the roofs were leaking was we used an industrial grade screw gun to install the S-5 wind clamps and that was wrong. He said we were to use only a torque wrench. He said the panel was crimped. He should probably read the instruction manual.The manual says to use an industrial grade screw gun and S-5 provides the attachment for the screw gun. As I said at the beginning I am not a salesman I am or was a working contractor and installer. I may be an OKIE but I know BS when I hear it.