Standing Seam RoofsPosted: September 24, 2013 | Author: verncannonblog | Filed under: Fight of my Life | Tags: Metal Roof, Roof Leaks, Standing Seam | 1 Comment
The statement below was taken from a very good article I found on the invention of the standing seam roof panel.
Any deterioration of the sealant in these endlap joints would permit wind gusts to drive water into the joints, causing leakage. At numerous places along the roof, there are areas where two end panels and two adjacent side panels form a four-corner intersection. This area is particularly difficult to seal. Watertightness of the roof has been a recurring problem in standing seam roofs.
I would say I agree with the above article. I would like to add that if an improper amount of mastic or none at all existed in the panel then this would cause leaks by wind driven rain as well.
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Hard To AcceptPosted: September 9, 2013 | Author: verncannonblog | Filed under: Fight of my Life | Tags: ASTM International, ASTM specifications, Building Codes, David Curtis, Florida, high slope roof, Hydrostatic, MBCI, Metal Building Manufacturers Association, Metal Roof, Oklahoma City, RCI, Standing Seam, Structral Standing Seam, Thermal and Moisture, Ultra Deck, United States | 1 Comment
I am going to rethink how to fight this injustice. Friends I thought were friends are not. They are acquaintances. That is OK , My friend is my wife as it should be and she is afraid for my life as she knows what MBCI and their lies have done to me. She knows that I would fight NCI /Mbci to my last breath as I believe in fighting for the truth. I fought and have continued to fight for more than 5 years. I went to Tim McElroy for the truth about Ultra Deck and he told me that it was developed as a roof to compete with the Butler MR 24 which by the way is a water barrier roof. I went to Leo Neyer, who developed the Ultra Deck, and he told me that he is the man who built the water tank and submerged the ultra deck under water and that it was a hydrostatic roof (water barrier). Terry Wolfe (owner of Force Engineering) emailed me stating that anyone who says that 1/4:12 is not hydrostatic is insane, he even said to use the definitions from Fema. I even spoke with the project manager from Locke Bowden and she told me that 1/4:12 is hydrostatic. Wolfe, Bowden and Faranbaugh all approve this roof for sale in Florida at 1/4:12 and Florida says 1/4:12 is hydrostatic. Whirlwind Steel also said their version of Ultra Deck is hydrostatic as has Central States. I know the truth and so do the executives at NCI/MBCI. They are cowards and sold me roofs that did not meet their own standards ( written in letter from Andrew Costa): Mr. Costa was the General Counsel of MBCI. The chairman of the board of NCI, Norm Chambers and the board of directors are covering up the truth about the Ultra Deck and the problems with this roof. It did not just start in 2008 but years before, I know because I have 200 internal emails that tell the story about the problem and the cover up.
Don’t you think it strange that MBCI said I owed them $ 360,000.00 : The exact amount of money with held from me by the owners because of leaks at the side laps of Ultra Deck. Now I built buildings across the United States and in Canada. Dozens of suppliers and every one got paid, 30 years and paid the invoices. I however did not pay for defective material or pay an invoice unless it was correct. Mbci sent a roof inspector to Florida, he opened the roof and said there was not enough sealant and he noted several area where he got the roof to leak with nothing more than a water hose. Wayne Dickinson admitted to me he had a major problem at production facilities because Kenny Buchinger told him another roof I had in Florida had the same problem. Wayne Dickinson was shocked because the roofs came from two different manufacturing plants. In court they did not tell the truth. They said Ultra Deck needs no sealant period. Now I know that is not true as does any engineer, Terry Wolfe, Daniel Faranbaugh, Locke Bowden, Tim McElroy. Even the judge knew it because he read the 200 documents. The ICC ,ASTM , MBMA, and the International Building Code know that Ultra Deck must have mastic. But MBCI told the court it does nor need mastic and if it did then Wayne Dickinson said he would not have sued me and would have replaced my customers roofs. I challenge the new president of MBCI and all the salesmen who beat a path to my door to be honest and tell the truth. You wont because you are not an honest company. It was easier for you to lie in court about the problem and destroy me than admit the truth. Remember I have the 200 documents. Why don’t you release them so the truth can come out, oh that’s right you are never wrong even when you admit that your roof doesn’t meet your own standards. Sorry about that for you, I don’t sell seconds or defective products to my customers. You do ,I do not. Ask Janus International, (a good and honest manufacture) it took David Curtis and his team along with me and my son working for six months to find out the root cause of a problem and when it was identified Janus end especially David Curtis and Joe Bricker with Sandy and my son to fix the problem. David Curtis and Janus and their supplier replaced over 3000 doors , the exact total I not sure of as it continues. Now Mr. Curtis did this during slow economic times since 2008. We argued , fought, talked, discussed to fix this problem but the only concern Mr. Curtis and I had was for the end user, the owners. Just the opposite of NCI/ MBCI. Even though contained in the 200 documents and 30 years of experience all NCI/MBCI could do was say “not our fault”, Vern doesn’t know what he is doing. Ya right, after installing 10 million sf of Ultra Deck. There are to many sulliers who know me, to many customers who know me, to many engineers who know me, and way to many salesmen who know me that know I don’t lie and will fight for the right of my customers. But in this fight against NCI/MBCI and their lie machine and a stupid Judge with the backing of the private equity firm who bought them in 2008 or NCI was going file for bankruptcy I stand alone. My customers asked me to fight for them , I did, then they turned their back on me as has the rest of the Metal Roofing Industry. MBCI or should I ay Wayne Dickinson stated in court that the Ultra Deck was never a water barrier roof. That it is only a water shedding roof but you can put it on 1/4:12 roof slope. WRONG ! On top of that Wayne Dickinson and their Law Firm Bracewell Giuliani and especially the lawyer ( Richard Whitely) new that roof was sold to me and marketed as a water tight roof. The Oklahoma City plant sales manager testified under oath to that fact and Richard Whitely affirmed the Ultra Deck was a water tight roof. The question is how did I loose in court? The answer is simple. The verdict was bought and paid for, not with money, but with political power and a corrupt legal system in Houston Texas. An Honest man has no chance against a 30 billion dollar private equity firm and a Public Corporation that simply will not tell the truth about their products.
Thank you for reading my diatribe. I promised my customers I would fight for them until I was bankrupt or died. One has happened and the other is very close at hand. I will have to break one of those promises. I can not let myself die. My wife means more to me than my promise. It is for her that I am going to try and regain my health, and as she begged me last night, Put it in God’s Hands. Please. So God here it is, tell me what you want me to do.
The Truth # 4Posted: August 26, 2013 | Author: verncannonblog | Filed under: Fight of my Life | Tags: ASTM, ASTM specifications, Building Codes, high slope roof, Hydrostatic, ISS, low slope roof, Metal Roof, Metal Roofing, Public Corporations, RCI, Roof Leaks, Standing Seam, Structral Standing Seam | 1 Comment
Question ? What do the following people have in common ?
1. Wayne Dickinson 4. Norman Chambers 7. Gary Forbes 10. George Martinez
2. Ken Buchinger 5. Kathleen Affeldt 8. John Holland 11. Nathan Sleeper
3. Mark Dobson 6. James Berges 9. Lawrence Kremer 12. Jonathan Zrebiec
The Truth # 3Posted: August 15, 2013 | Author: verncannonblog | Filed under: Fight of my Life | Tags: ASTM, high slope roof, Hydrostatic, ISS, low slope roof, Metal Roof, RCI, SSA, Standing Seam | 2 Comments
I wonder why the Metal Roofing Industry, The RCI and the Self Storage Industry to include Inside Self Storage, Self Storage Association and Texas Self Storage Association makes no comments or maybe the question should be to the Self Storage people should be, are you not troubled by the fact that any facility that has this roof is Not a class A Facility. I know why the Metal Roofing Industry does not comment, it is called CYA. All Metal Roofing Manufactures put out specifications on their products with ASTM specifications and tests that are performed in test labs. That is nice ,But will your roof work in the real world. Every owner, installer, consumer has the absolute right to know if the Metal Roof actually performs when installed. Two very easy and simple tests. If your roof will leak when a garden hose is held 3 foot above the surface and water comes thru the roof you have a problem. The other test is direct from an ASTM committee. Perform a water head test on the roof at random locations. This can be done in an hour on approximately 40,000 sf. If you get a couple of drips don’t worry, But if you can take a shower you have a roof that is not sealed. We all owe the owner ( you know the person who pays the money ) the TRUTH. The water head test is so simple and truthful.
The Truth Part 2Posted: August 14, 2013 | Author: verncannonblog | Filed under: Fight of my Life | Tags: ASTM specifications, Building Codes, Metal Roofing, Public Corporations, Roof Leaks, Standing Seam | 1 Comment
I will reveal all about the “fight” I have been having with this Public Corporation. This has been devastating to me personally and to my family. The business I started 30 years ago was destroyed. This standing seam roof supplier had been selling me this particular roof for more than a decade. In fact I first bought and installed this roof in 1986. I have bought more than a million sf of this standing seam. In the year ending June 2008 it was in excess of 500,000 sf. This is the only Standing Seam Roof I installed on every Self Storage Building I designed and sold. I personally installed over one million sf of this roof. I am not a salesman, I was a working contractor.
Many Metal Building suppliers knocked on my office door and tried to get my business but I remained loyal to this one manufacture. This manufacture permits other manufactures to make this roof and sell it under their respective trade names. The roof I purchased was a Structural Standing Seam Roof specified to meet ASTM E 1514 recommenced slope of 1/4:12. I am not an engineer but every detail of my buildings had a design structural engineer and all building were designed to pass local building codes. In 30 years I sold and built buildings in most every state in the country and in Canada. This supplier always knew where these roofs were going as I had conversations with their plant sales manager, inside sales manager and out side sales manager almost on a daily basis. This roof was sold to me and every one else in the country since 1983 as a hydrostatic roof or water tight.
Imagine my shock when suddenly in 2011 this public company publicly stated that this roof was never a hydrostatic roof and was only a water shedding roof or hydro kinetic. This public company also stated that it does not “follow” MBMA Roof System Manual, FEMA definition of Water tight and water shedding roofs, not even the National Roofing Contractors standards.
I live in Oklahoma and as fate would have it the original IAS test lab is till in business in Tulsa Oklahoma and the main developer of the roof is still in business ( has many roof patents) and lives in Edmond Oklahoma. Also one of the original “investors” in developing this roof is one of the most respected men in the history of the Metal Building Industry. I have spoke in great length many times with these men and have had this conversations authenticated by other individuals. This roof was developed to compete with the Butler MR 24 which is hydrostatic. One of the individual told me he built a tank and submerged the panel in water and that the roof was hydrostatic. Why would you spend enormous amounts of money to develop a roof to compete with Butler MR 24 and it not also be a hydrostatic roof ?
Now for the best or should I say worst. The President and corporate officer of this division of the Public Corporation said that his roof needs no sealant in the side laps to work or pass any test. Now that is contrary to the International Building Code and the ICC. Also even their own manual.
I ran the ASTM tests found in their manual under qualifications and specifications. I had an IAS independent test lab perform the tests. This roof failed every test.
I contacted this Public Company’s independent engineer. He emailed me that 1/4:12 is hydrostatic and anyone who says it isn’t is insane and that he uses ASTM 2140 ( industry standard) when he is hired to test low sloped roofs.
I was destroyed by this company because I was “TOLD” that if I did not use my influence and make my customers put “Tape” on all the side laps then this Public Corporation would destroy me and put me out of business. That is the only words that turned out to be true. No one can stand alone against a Billion Dollar Corporation owned by a 20 Billion Dollar Private Equity Wall Street Firm. These type of entities buy the “truth” with very expensive law firms. The truly sad part is this was not about business. It was personal because I dared to defy the President of this division. I know it was personal because in September of 2008 I went to this law firm and met with the president and vice president of this Public Company along with their lead attorney, their general counsel, their attorney from Tulsa Oklahoma. With me was my son and business attorney. I told the President of this division of the Public Corporation how to fix the problem and it wouldn’t cost anything. This man wanted to put a team together to investigate the problem. I agreed, my team would be my son, and two men who I trusted. One man was a former plant manager of this company and the other was a 50 year veteran of the industry who would rather punch you than lie to you. His job for over 50 years was trouble shooting problems for Metal Building Companies and Roofing. I knew I was listening to BS when their vice president told me the reason the roofs were leaking was we used an industrial grade screw gun to install the S-5 wind clamps and that was wrong. He said we were to use only a torque wrench. He said the panel was crimped. He should probably read the instruction manual.The manual says to use an industrial grade screw gun and S-5 provides the attachment for the screw gun. As I said at the beginning I am not a salesman I am or was a working contractor and installer. I may be an OKIE but I know BS when I hear it.